The second piece of that the pull should stay shallow. Every elite Backstroker swims with a shallow pull, I’m not necessarily sure if this is just something that became like a blanket, and then all the national teams throughout the world decided to say “Hey, we should probably swim with a shallower pull.” If you look at any lead Backstroke or underwater videos you’ll see that all of them have their hands up towards the surface of the water. You want to keep the head close because that way you’re keeping everything closer towards the body, but generally, we are stronger when our edges are close closer towards us. You also can think about it like pulling on the lane line so when you’re pulling on the lane line you have to pull on the lane line with your elbow down towards the bottom but the hand stays up towards the surface. And once again you’re pushing water straight back towards the feet. Originally they had more of a Backstroke pull where you’d come out of the water with your thumb, then you enter in with your pinky and scoop yourself up. But if you scoop up as you’re pulling in Backstroke, then something else must go down. So that means the body, heavier portion of the body sinks for a second, which we do not want. So instead of is scooping water up, you need to figure out how to push water back. And so once again, if you look at the video of me. If I am here and I come up with my thumb, I rotate put my pinkie in the first step to a great Backstroke pull is bending the elbow, which is what you do when you put the arm in for Freestyle. So you would bend at the elbow and you would get the elbow down below the body line. From there, you take that pole you engage the element form against some water, and you’d push that water down towards the feet. So it’s almost like you’re catching a baseball, and from there you’re taking the baseball and you’re throwing it down towards the foot towards the big toe of whatever side you’re pushing water on.